Thals debate Dalek intentions and Susan’s trustworthiness
Plot Beats
The narrative micro-steps within this event
Alydon greets Ganatus, who arrives with news of rough paths, and points out the dead city where the Daleks reside, establishing the Thals' arrival and their awareness of the Daleks' presence.
Temmosus directs the setup of their camp and reveals they came due to the craft, confirming the city's inhabitation, while other Thals reveal the Daleks were once teachers, but Ganatus suspects they might be the warriors now.
Who Was There
Characters present in this moment
Defensive and hopeful, masking underlying frustration with the group’s lack of unity and Dyoni’s personal feelings. His emotional state is a mix of determination to secure food for the Thals and exasperation with the internal conflicts distracting from their survival.
Alydon briefs the Thals on the Dalek-inhabited city’s threat and defends Susan’s trustworthiness, outlining the plan for her to deliver a message from the Daleks. He expresses frustration with Dyoni’s jealousy and emphasizes the Thals' desperate need for food. Alydon’s leadership and optimism are tested as he navigates the group’s skepticism and internal tensions, particularly Dyoni’s unspoken resentment.
- • To convince the Thals to trust Susan and the plan to communicate with the Daleks, despite their skepticism.
- • To secure a food supply for the Thals by negotiating with the Daleks, leveraging Susan as a messenger.
- • Susan is trustworthy and capable of delivering the message safely, despite being a prisoner.
- • The Daleks may be willing to negotiate or provide food, especially if approached with caution and proof of good faith (e.g., the signed message).
Not directly observable, but inferred as calculating and potentially deceptive. The Thals’ discussions reveal a mix of fear, curiosity, and skepticism toward the Daleks, reflecting their unpredictable and dangerous nature.
The Daleks are debated as a potential ally or threat. Their historical role as warriors and teachers is discussed, and their current intentions (hostile or benevolent) are a central point of contention. The Thals speculate about their advanced city and possible knowledge exchange, but the Daleks’ presence looms as a source of tension and uncertainty, driving the Thals’ strategic discussions.
- • To secure the anti-radiation drugs from the Thals, using manipulation or deception if necessary.
- • To control the Thals and the prisoners, leveraging their desperation for food and survival.
- • The Thals and prisoners are inferior and can be easily manipulated or controlled.
- • Knowledge and resources (such as the anti-radiation drugs) are worth any cost, including deception or violence.
Cautiously optimistic but wary, balancing humor with a keen awareness of the dangers the Thals face. His skepticism is tempered by a willingness to engage in the debate, though he remains unconvinced of the Daleks' benevolence.
Ganatus arrives late due to the rough path and voices skepticism about the Daleks' potential hostility. He humorously teases Alydon and Dyoni, participating in the debate about the Daleks' intentions and the Thals' strategic vulnerability. Ganatus’ role is that of the pragmatic skeptic, grounding the group’s discussions in realism and caution.
- • To ensure the Thals do not blindly trust the Daleks or Susan, advocating for caution and verification of their intentions.
- • To contribute to the group’s strategic discussions, using his skepticism to challenge Alydon’s optimism and Temmosus’ pragmatism.
- • The Daleks are likely hostile, given their history as warriors, and their current actions suggest deception.
- • The Thals must prioritize their survival above all else, even if it means rejecting potential alliances that could be traps.
Absent but idealized (Alydon's faith in her contrasts with the Thals' skepticism; her perceived innocence and reliability are key to the plan's success).
Susan is referenced as the young prisoner Alydon trusts to deliver a message from the Daleks. Her name ('Susan') is framed as the signifier to verify the authenticity of the Daleks' message. Though physically absent, her role is central to the Thals' fragile hope for survival and the unfolding plan to communicate with the Daleks. Her age and perceived trustworthiness are debated, highlighting the Thals' skepticism and desperation.
- • To act as a messenger between the Thals and the Daleks, delivering a signed message to prove the Daleks' intentions.
- • To secure the Thals' trust and cooperation by demonstrating her reliability and the Daleks' potential benevolence.
- • The Daleks may be open to negotiation or cooperation, despite their hostile reputation.
- • Her name and identity can serve as a credible signifier to verify the authenticity of the Daleks' message.
Cautiously analytical, balancing hope for cooperation with the Daleks against the need for vigilance. His emotional state is one of measured optimism, tempered by a deep-seated skepticism born of past experiences and the Thals’ precarious situation.
Temmosus leads the Thals' strategic discussion, questioning Alydon’s trust in Susan and analyzing the Daleks' potential intentions. He acts as the pragmatic voice, considering both the risks and opportunities of engaging with the Daleks. Temmosus notes the city’s advanced architecture and the possibility of knowledge exchange, but his caution dominates, reflecting his role as the group’s leader and strategist.
- • To ensure the Thals do not rush into a potentially dangerous alliance with the Daleks without thorough verification.
- • To explore the possibility of knowledge exchange or cooperation with the Daleks, while mitigating the risks involved.
- • The Daleks’ intentions are unclear and must be verified before any trust is placed in them.
- • The Thals’ survival depends on careful negotiation and strategic caution, not blind optimism.
Jealous and resentful, masking her emotions with silence and withdrawal. Her emotional state is one of quiet frustration, feeling sidelined and unheard in the group’s discussions, particularly regarding Alydon’s focus on Susan.
Dyoni expresses subtle jealousy over Alydon’s interactions with Susan, remaining quiet during the debate and stalking off when Alydon and Temmosus discuss her personal feelings. She avoids directly engaging in the strategic discussion, her emotions simmering beneath the surface. Her withdrawal highlights the personal tensions within the group, distracting from their collective focus on survival.
- • To avoid confronting her jealousy or the group’s strategic discussions, retreating into silence.
- • To subtly assert her presence and feelings, though indirectly, by stalking off when her emotions are acknowledged.
- • Alydon’s trust in Susan is misplaced and distracts from the Thals’ survival needs.
- • Her personal feelings for Alydon are being overlooked in favor of the group’s immediate priorities.
Objects Involved
Significant items in this scene
Dalek 2’s deceptive message to the Thals is the central focus of the debate, as Alydon outlines the plan for Susan to deliver it. The message is framed as a potential offer of food in exchange for the Thals’ help re-cultivating the land, exploiting their desperation. The authenticity of the message—signed by Susan—is the linchpin of the Thals’ trust in the Daleks. The message’s role is to manipulate the Thals into a false sense of security, setting the stage for the Daleks’ ultimate deception.
Susan’s signed message is proposed as a way to verify the authenticity of the Daleks’ communication. Alydon suggests that the message be signed with Susan’s name alone, ensuring the Thals can distinguish a genuine message from a Dalek forgery. This object is critical to the plan, as it represents the Thals’ only means of verifying the Daleks’ intentions. Its role is to bridge the gap between trust and deception, offering a fragile but necessary link between the two groups.
The TARDIS serves as a symbolic and functional anchor for the scene, representing the strangers’ arrival and the Thals’ curiosity about the outsiders. Its presence outside the jungle sparks the Thals’ speculation about the Daleks’ city and the strangers’ origins. The TARDIS is described as a 'craft' and a 'weird object,' highlighting its alien nature and the mystery it embodies for the Thals. It functions as a neutral ground where the Thals can gather and debate their next steps, while also symbolizing the potential for new alliances or conflicts.
The Thal anti-radiation serum is referenced as the critical resource Alydon gave to Susan, enabling her to return to the Dalek city. The serum is a bargaining chip in the Daleks’ demand for compliance and a potential key to securing food for the Thals. Its mention underscores the high stakes of the Thals’ survival and the Daleks’ manipulative control over the situation. The serum’s role as a lifeline for the Thals contrasts with its use as a tool of coercion by the Daleks.
The Thals’ tent is mentioned as a temporary shelter and base near the TARDIS, where the group gathers to debate their strategy. Though not physically described in detail, the tent symbolizes the Thals’ nomadic lifestyle and their fragile unity. It serves as a practical meeting point for their discussions, reinforcing their collective focus on survival and their reliance on each other despite internal tensions. The tent’s role is functional, providing a sense of stability amid the uncertainty of their situation.
Location Details
Places and their significance in this event
The Dalek city is referenced as the distant, looming stronghold of the Daleks, where Susan and the other prisoners are held. It is described as a 'dead city' with advanced architecture, symbolizing the Daleks’ power and the Thals’ vulnerability. The city’s mention underscores the Thals’ fear and curiosity about the Daleks, as well as their desperate need for food and survival. It functions as a source of tension and uncertainty, driving the Thals’ strategic discussions and their reliance on Susan as a messenger.
The jungle outside the TARDIS serves as the primary setting for the Thals’ gathering and debate. It is a tense, neutral ground where the Thals can strategize away from the immediate threat of the Dalek city. The jungle’s rough terrain and petrified landscape reflect the harshness of Skaro and the Thals’ desperate circumstances. It functions as a meeting point for the group, where they can discuss their plan in relative safety while remaining aware of the looming danger posed by the Daleks. The jungle’s atmosphere is one of urgency and uncertainty, with the Thals’ survival hanging in the balance.
Organizations Involved
Institutional presence and influence
The prisoners (Susan, Ian, Barbara, and the Doctor) are represented through Susan’s role as a messenger and the Thals’ discussions about their captivity. Their organization is fragmented, with Susan acting as the primary liaison between the Thals and the Daleks. The prisoners’ involvement in this event is marked by their vulnerability, as they are held captive and used as pawns in the Daleks’ manipulation. Their power lies in their potential to communicate and influence the Thals, but it is limited by their captivity and the Daleks’ control.
The Thals are represented through their leaders—Alydon, Temmosus, and Ganatus—and their collective debate about the Daleks’ intentions. Their organization is fractured by internal tensions, particularly Dyoni’s jealousy and the group’s skepticism about trusting the Daleks or Susan. The Thals’ survival hinges on their ability to unite and make strategic decisions, despite their desperation and distrust. Their involvement in this event is marked by cautious optimism, pragmatism, and a deep-seated fear of the Daleks’ manipulation.
The Daleks are represented through their demand for the anti-radiation drugs and their potential deception in offering food to the Thals. Their organization is characterized by manipulation, control, and a ruthless pursuit of survival at any cost. The Daleks’ involvement in this event is marked by their hidden influence, as they exploit the Thals’ desperation and the prisoners’ captivity to secure their goals. Their power dynamics are one of dominance, using deception and coercion to maintain control over both groups.
Narrative Connections
How this event relates to others in the story
"Susan's intent to help the Thals due to their food shortage is directly linked to Alydon and Temmosus planning how they will know if a message from Susan is actually genuine."
Susan Defends Thal Alliance to Barbara"Susan's intent to help the Thals due to their food shortage is directly linked to Alydon and Temmosus planning how they will know if a message from Susan is actually genuine."
Doctor’s Urgency Collides with Captivity"The Daleks question Susan about writing her name on the message. Alydon states the message must be signed 'Susan', which will signal authenticity.This emphasizes the manipulation involved."
Susan defies Dalek control over Thal message"The Daleks question Susan about writing her name on the message. Alydon states the message must be signed 'Susan', which will signal authenticity.This emphasizes the manipulation involved."
Daleks expose human emotional bonds"Barbara's question about the Daleks' view of the Thals as mutations echoes in Temmosus's questioning of Alydon's trust in the newcomers. Both scenarios highlight the theme of prejudice and distrust between different groups."
Susan Defends Thal Alliance to Barbara"Barbara's question about the Daleks' view of the Thals as mutations echoes in Temmosus's questioning of Alydon's trust in the newcomers. Both scenarios highlight the theme of prejudice and distrust between different groups."
Doctor’s Urgency Collides with Captivity"Temmosus reveals they came due to the craft, confirming the city's inhabitation. Ganatus arrives with a message discovered by the city gates and they are both led to believe that the Daleks intend to help the Thals, which provides a renewed hope for the Thals' future because of the message."
Thals debate Dalek offer and future"Temmosus reveals they came due to the craft, confirming the city's inhabitation. Ganatus arrives with a message discovered by the city gates and they are both led to believe that the Daleks intend to help the Thals, which provides a renewed hope for the Thals' future because of the message."
Susan’s message revives Thal hopeThemes This Exemplifies
Thematic resonance and meaning
Key Dialogue
"TEMMOSUS: "They are Daleks.""
"GANATUS: "Yes, but we've changed over the centuries. Why shouldn't they? The once famous warrior race of Thals are now farmers.""
"ALYDON: "I have only spoken with the young girl, but if the others are anything like her, I would trust them absolutely.""
"DYONI: "It would have been better if you had given it to a man instead of a girl.""
"TEMMOSUS: "Tell me, Alydon. How old is this young girl?""
"ALYDON: "No longer a child, not yet a woman.""
"TEMMOSUS: "Ah, then perhaps it's safe for you to talk to her, if she's not yet a woman.""
"ALYDON: "I don't understand her. If we don't find a new food supply for next year, we're finished. Doesn't she understand that? We're all working towards the same end.""
"TEMMOSUS: "But don't you realise that Dyoni sees her personal future in you.""
"ALYDON: "Well, she told me her name— Susan. And that is how the message is to be signed. Otherwise, we shall know the Daleks are hostile to us.""